ELBOWSEYE Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) Quite a few players picking up bans this week. Dudson grade E Philbin D 2 matches Smithies 1 match notice BACHELOR HKR 1 Kane Evans hull fc 1 Sue HKR 2 Westerman cas 1 Vulikjapani hull fc 1 Seumanufagai leigh 1 Knowles referred to the committee with reference to cooper tackle. A few players from Warrington and wigan missing from fridays game. Edited April 10, 2023 by ELBOWSEYE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimmestStar Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fevrover Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, DimmestStar said: No different to St.Helens then. Edited April 11, 2023 by Fevrover Misread it 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 22 minutes ago, Fevrover said: No different to St.Helens then. I did hear Saints tried & failed to appeal the Willie Isa ban last week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 5 hours ago, DimmestStar said: Leeds are appealing? Not me me, they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh1 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Question is, are Saints going to appeal the Knowles one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 minute ago, johnh1 said: Question is, are Saints going to appeal the Knowles one? Can they see what the decision is first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELBOWSEYE Posted April 11, 2023 Author Share Posted April 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, bobbruce said: Can they see what the decision is first. Hopefully they accept the decision, Warrington didn't like the Mcguire ban but accepted decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispmartha Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Both Knowles snd Dudson get 5 games, Dudson is s lucky boy IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Poor record and high grading, so you can see why five for Knowles. I know we went very heavy with bans last year (Gale, Pryce etc) but five feels light for Dudson’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Incidentally which of the two offences (probably) finished a fellow professionals career? Dudson's punch was despicable and I said on here he should have his contract cancelled, but Johnstone will be playing in the next game. 2 I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELBOWSEYE Posted April 11, 2023 Author Share Posted April 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jughead said: Poor record and high grading, so you can see why five for Knowles. I know we went very heavy with bans last year (Gale, Pryce etc) but five feels light for Dudson’s. Feels light for both. Will either of these stop players from what both players did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, bobbruce said: Can they see what the decision is first. How will they know they want to appeal if they don't know the decision? "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Dockhouse Host Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Forwards Gil Dudson (Warrington Wolves) and Morgan Knowles (St.Helens RLFC) have both been suspended for five matches by tonight’s independent tribunals. Dudson was referred to tribunal by the Match Review Panel on a Grade E charge of punching a Catalans Dragons opponent during Saturday’s Betfred Super League match in Perpignan. He is also fined £500. The Match Review Panel had referred Knowles on a Grade D charge of dangerous contact with a Wigan Warriors player during the Good Friday derby at the DW Stadium. He too is fined £500. An appeal by Leigh Leopards’ Ava Seumanufaga against a one match suspension, imposed for late contact with a Salford Red Devils opponent during Saturday’s game, was successful, the incident being downgraded from B to A and the one match suspension cancelled. He is fined £250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris22 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) One of the more interesting points of the Knowles decision is that the severity of Mike Cooper's injury seems to have led to a far lengthier suspension. For examples, James Batchelor and Morgan Smithies were found guilty of the same offence and have received one match suspensions compared to Knowles' five matches. I know that severity of injury has always been an aggravating factor but looks as though the RFL may be placing more weight on that this year, to the extent that the disciplinary panel have chosen to go beyond the recommended sanction in the sentencing guidelines. Although, it is possible (if not likely) that Knowles' disgraceful disciplinary record over the last two years has added to the length of suspension too. There will be noise amongst our fans about other players getting fewer matches for the same offence, or Dudson getting the same for a deliberate assault on a player unable to defend himself. Whilst some of those points are valid, Knowles needs to take a good look at himself and his technique because it's costing his team. Edited April 11, 2023 by Chris22 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 46 minutes ago, Griff said: How will they know they want to appeal if they don't know the decision? That was sort of the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 19 minutes ago, Chris22 said: One of the more interesting points of the Knowles decision is that the severity of Mike Cooper's injury seems to have led to a far lengthier suspension. For examples, James Batchelor and Morgan Smithies were found guilty of identical tackles and have received one match suspensions compared to Knowles' five matches. I know that severity of injury has always been an aggravating factor but looks as though the RFL may be placing more weight on that this year, to the extent that the disciplinary panel have chosen to go beyond the recommended sanction in the sentencing guidelines. Although, it is possible (if not likely) that Knowles' disgraceful disciplinary record over the last two years has added to the length of suspension too. There will be noise amongst our fans about other players getting fewer matches for the same offence, or Dudson getting the same for a deliberate assault on a player unable to defend himself. Whilst some of those points are valid, Knowles needs to take a good look at himself and his technique because it's costing his team. Giving a more severe ban dependant on injury is a classic case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 I’ve no idea what Batchelor or Smithies records are like but I think it’s something like 9 suspensions (ten now) in eighteen months for Knowles. I would hope that this would be more of a contributing factor in the length of the ban instead of severity of injury to an opponent. That brings me on to my next point. Dudson has a headbutt charge and a punching charge in the past two seasons, which makes the five games for attacking someone on the ground very light. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 In my opinion, you cannot base the length of a ban on the seriousness of the injury caused. But you can base it on the likelihood to cause injury. All hip drop tackles have the potential to cause serious injury and should be punished the same... irrespective of whether a player has the very good fortune to escape injury. 3 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef K Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 I’m glad Knowles got five games, he has become a liability. Will he learn from it ?, probably not which seems to be the case for quite a few of the Saints players. He’ll have to change his tackle technique and why he’s at it he can also learn how to keep hold of the ball when going over the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Jughead said: I’ve no idea what Batchelor or Smithies records are like but I think it’s something like 9 suspensions (ten now) in eighteen months for Knowles. I would hope that this would be more of a contributing factor in the length of the ban instead of severity of injury to an opponent. That brings me on to my next point. Dudson has a headbutt charge and a punching charge in the past two seasons, which makes the five games for attacking someone on the ground very light. My gut feel is that 5 matches for these incidents is fine (they are pretty serious bans) , but there are questions about process that should be answered. Dudson was charged with E which has 4-6. It is surprising that with his record he hasn't received the maximum. I'm not sure what could be used as a mitigant in that incident. I'm not sure Knowles or anyone associated with him can have any complaints though. 5 matches for a tackle that rules a player out for 12m and is his 9th charge in 10 months feels about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 2 hours ago, bobbruce said: That was sort of the point. Well then, yes, of course they are given a decision and then he - not Saints - has the option to appeal. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Toulouse and Laurent Belmas clearly not happy about his ban for an alleged attack to Tom Holmes' testicular area. Toulouse have released a statement saying roughly (my translation) "In spite of a video which doesn't show any movement/gesture, the discplinary panel of the RFL has classed the alleged action as "Grade F" and the Operational tribunal has sentenced the Toulouse prop to a suspension of 7 matches." The video's here. Probably inconclusive I'd say, you can see Holmes (number 1) move that part of his body sharply away but you can't see the alleged action from belmas (number 8). Whether the touch judge saw anything I don't know. Probably similar to the Flanagan case where they will have listened to the evidence from both parties and made their decision accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said: Toulouse and Laurent Belmas clearly not happy about his ban for an alleged attack to Tom Holmes' testicular area. Toulouse have released a statement saying roughly (my translation) "In spite of a video which doesn't show any movement/gesture, the discplinary panel of the RFL has classed the alleged action as "Grade F" and the Operational tribunal has sentenced the Toulouse prop to a suspension of 7 matches." The video's here. Probably inconclusive I'd say, you can see Holmes (number 1) move that part of his body sharply away but you can't see the alleged action from belmas (number 8). Whether the touch judge saw anything I don't know. Probably similar to the Flanagan case where they will have listened to the evidence from both parties and made their decision accordingly. You should be careful Horseman, that's two youtube videos you've posted today from clubs that aren't your own. Don't you realise that you are increasing the social media clicks for those clubs and potentially increasing their points in the IMG rankings. This could cost Featherstone promotion in coming years! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Barley Mow said: You should be careful Horseman, that's two youtube videos you've posted today from clubs that aren't your own. Don't you realise that you are increasing the social media clicks for those clubs and potentially increasing their points in the IMG rankings. This could cost Featherstone promotion in coming years! I 'd better pull that next planned thread about Bradford's comedy passive aggressive Twitter account in favour of repeated TikTok videos of Fev players dancing then! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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