IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Jill Halfpenny fan]

What was it Hans Gruber said after shooting Ellis, " Sooner or later I might get round to someone you do care about".

[The Blues Ox]

If we lose both London and Toulouse then SL will have to drop to 11 so we can end up with 3 equal divisions which would be a massive shame but at least it would give SL teams some extra money splitting that funding up.

[Griff]

10 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

If we lose both London and Toulouse then SL will have to drop to 11 so we can end up with 3 equal divisions which would be a massive shame but at least it would give SL teams some extra money splitting that funding up.

Is that because we've always had three equal divisions?

[dkw]

16 hours ago, Worzel said:

 

We’re getting close to the land of tin foil hats with that kind of thinking. 

 

Getting close? Some of them went way over that line ages ago. 

[crashmon]

4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

So Sylvain Houles believes that irrespective of IMG's gradings his club should be elevated to Super League because they have great potential, thoughts please.

I'd argue they would be better the Hull FC was based on last year

[JohnM]

22 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Now this is the worrying part and listening to owners of SL clubs neither do they, which beggars belief in how they can sign something off without knowing the costs.

So if the 'secret' is soley in the domain of the RFL/RL Comm then that just exacerbates the problem, whichever side of this debate we are on we collectively agree that those who are running this game are not fit for purpose and if it is they who have brokered this deal that is indeed worrying.

I have this vision of IMG exiting the 'commercial' meeting rubbing their hands and having a good laugh saying "well that was easy".

1. we collectively agree that those who are running this game are not fit for purpose

No we don't.   You are not able to make such a statement.

2. listening to owners of SL clubs

I'm sure you can provide the justification for this claim. Names, dates and sources will do.

If the "discussion" () on  the grading scheme - just the initial stage of the Re-imagning Rugby League project is to have any value, it needs to be based on fact, not some sort of personal emotional crusade.

[Harry Stottle]

3 minutes ago, JohnM said:

1. we collectively agree that those who are running this game are not fit for purpose

No we don't.   You are not able to make such a statement.

2. listening to owners of SL clubs

I'm sure you can provide the justification for this claim. Names, dates and sources will do.

If the "discussion" () on  the grading scheme - just the initial stage of the Re-imagning Rugby League project is to have any value, it needs to be based on fact, not some sort of personal emotional crusade.

No emotional crusade John, just mirroring all those with an opinion just like yourself.

[The Daddy]

4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

So Sylvain Houles believes that irrespective of IMG's gradings his club should be elevated to Super League because they have great potential, thoughts please.

Another troll thread from you. Just an excuse for the usual narrow minded knuckle draggers to spout their usual ######

[The Daddy]

4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

So Sylvain Houles believes that irrespective of IMG's gradings his club should be elevated to Super League because they have great potential, thoughts please.

 

Edited October 16 by The Daddy

[The Daddy]

4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

So Sylvain Houles believes that irrespective of IMG's gradings his club should be elevated to Super League because they have great potential, thoughts please.

 

Edited October 16 by The Daddy

[phiggins]

8 minutes ago, The Daddy said:

Another troll thread from you. Just an excuse for the usual narrow minded knuckle draggers to spout their usual ######

You stay classy

[StandOffHalf]

2 hours ago, Bull Mania said:

Disagree with this. I am sure sky were much happier with 40% more viewers for the grand final involving two M62 teams rather than last year with Catalans. 

Thats not to say Catalans and/or Toulouse shouldn't be in SL when it's 14 teams. There's other benefits they bring. But we need to get the balance right. Two French teams in 12 team SL is detrimental IMO

Agreed.

SL needs Bradford as well IMO.

[phiggins]

This is the article in question: https://www.totalrl.com/toulouse-olympique-should-be-reinstated-to-super-league-regardless-of-img-grading-according-to-head-coach-sylvain-houles/

He doesn't seem to care much for the grading system, and comment suggest he prefers P&R. On the subject of Toulouse being parachuted into SL, this comment stuck out to me: "We talk about potential and it is genuinely unlimited here, not just for Super League, for France or for Europe, it’s for the entire game. This club currently represents the biggest city in professional Rugby League."

It feels a bit like he's heading into Sunlit Uplands territory. But if Toulouse do believe they can provide benefits for the game, they should submit a proposal, outline what they believe the potential is, and what the ROI would be for SL to bring them in. Ideally as an extra club as an expansion exercise, rather than replacing another club, and contracting the UK game. 

Crucially, if they are to seek a different route to the top flight, they should demonstrate why them, rather than other non-heartland clubs like York and London, or even heartland clubs with historical success like Bradford and Widnes.

[Taffy Tiger]

1 hour ago, The Blues Ox said:

If we lose both London and Toulouse then SL will have to drop to 11 so we can end up with 3 equal divisions which would be a massive shame but at least it would give SL teams some extra money splitting that funding up.

11 team SL won't happen irrespective of how many other teams there are . Will be minimum of 12 at least for the foreseeable . Depending on TV deal there could always be a reduction , but I would imagine if that did ever happen then would be 8 or 10 teams in an 'Elite League' .

[Barley Mow]

19 minutes ago, phiggins said:

This is the article in question: https://www.totalrl.com/toulouse-olympique-should-be-reinstated-to-super-league-regardless-of-img-grading-according-to-head-coach-sylvain-houles/

He doesn't seem to care much for the grading system, and comment suggest he prefers P&R. On the subject of Toulouse being parachuted into SL, this comment stuck out to me: "We talk about potential and it is genuinely unlimited here, not just for Super League, for France or for Europe, it’s for the entire game. This club currently represents the biggest city in professional Rugby League."

It feels a bit like he's heading into Sunlit Uplands territory. But if Toulouse do believe they can provide benefits for the game, they should submit a proposal, outline what they believe the potential is, and what the ROI would be for SL to bring them in. Ideally as an extra club as an expansion exercise, rather than replacing another club, and contracting the UK game. 

Crucially, if they are to seek a different route to the top flight, they should demonstrate why them, rather than other non-heartland clubs like York and London, or even heartland clubs with historical success like Bradford and Widnes.

I realise this has very little to do with your point and I don't want to encourage the thread to drift, but we really are contracting if we consider York to be a non-heartland club.

They are a reincarnation of a club which began playing RL in 1898 and were regularly in the top tier up to 1986. You can be in York and only 15 miles from Castleford at the closest point, or closer to the M62 than east Hull. There are numerous flourishing community clubs in the city with long RL histories.

It seems that they are often grouped with expansion clubs because they are having a bit of a resurgence, but surely York is in the RL heartlands?

[Agbrigg]

24 minutes ago, phiggins said:

This is the article in question: https://www.totalrl.com/toulouse-olympique-should-be-reinstated-to-super-league-regardless-of-img-grading-according-to-head-coach-sylvain-houles/

 "We talk about potential and it is genuinely unlimited here, not just for Super League, for France or for Europe, it’s for the entire game. This club currently represents the biggest city in professional Rugby League."

So if thats right what is the guys problem ? Such a fanastic club will soon be the top of the pile and should breeze 15 IMG pts. Promotion will happen naturally for the club within the normal framework of the game if not this season but in a couple of years more. He just needs to be patient, he knows what is required to get there so get on with it, grow the club and stop wanting preferential treatment

[Archie Gordon]

At least there is no indication here that TO will shut up shop in terms of playing in the RFL leagues.

But I'm afraid that the lines from Houles just seemed reheated and unconvincing.

[PECETTO]

6 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

So if thats right what is the guys problem ? Such a fanastic club will soon be the top of the pile and should breeze 15 IMG pts. Promotion will happen naturally for the club within the normal framework of the game if not this season but in a couple of years more. He just needs to be patient, he knows what is required to get there so get on with it, grow the club and stop wanting preferential treatment

They allready have preferential treatment : they pay flight , hôtel and good for all 

[The Blues Ox]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

Is that because we've always had three equal divisions?

Its a strange one isnt it with RFL deciding before this season that 3 equal divisions is the way forward.

[Barley Mow]

6 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Its a strange one isnt it with RFL deciding before this season that 3 equal divisions is the way forward.

I thought they'd said that they specifically wanted 3 equal divisions of 12 (hence inviting applications for another team) rather than equal divisions even if there are less than 36 teams.

Even if London and Toulouse did drop out like you say, there would still be 34 teams next year so (at least) one of the divisions would contain 12 teams and I imagine that would be Super League.

Whether they would go for a 12 team Championship and 10 team L1 or two 11s would be the question in such a scenario - let's all hope nobody drops out and that this isn't something that needs consideration.

Edited October 16 by Barley Mow

[Exiled Wiganer]

I am not sure what the question is we are supposed to be answering:

- if it’s do I want Toulouse to succeed, then it’s yes

- if it’s do I want French RL to succeed, then it’s a huge yes

- if that means succeeding by being within SL and only SL, then I can sort of see the logic but presumably someone somewhere can verify that as a proposition: it may be so but I don’t know

- if it’s about whether they should be treated differently from others in the same process, then I don’t see how that can happen, nor would it be right if it did: the criteria have to be the criteria and it is far too late to change them now.

I read this as someone who cares passionately about our game, sees huge potential for our game and his club within France rugby league and is promoting that. Hold on him. I would expect anyone in his position to do precisely that. 
 

incidentally, for all I know the question behind the question was actually - have you see this? Isn’t it dreadful that the French are looking for preferential treatment when we are better off without them… in which case, no I don’t think it’s dreadful at all. 

Edited October 16 by Exiled Wiganer

[Wollo Wollo Wayoo]

34 minutes ago, PECETTO said:

They allready have preferential treatment : they pay flight , hôtel and good for all 

You sure?

 

[Worzel]

The digital figures improvement here is ridiculous. It’s almost like some people have done some really detailed work on our digital engagement mechanics.
 

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, Archie Gordon said:

But I'm afraid that the lines from Houles just seemed reheated and unconvincing.

He's a manager being interviewed before a big game. You could pretty much write his, and, indeed, anyone else's lines in advance.

[wilsontown]

1 hour ago, Barley Mow said:

I realise this has very little to do with your point and I don't want to encourage the thread to drift, but we really are contracting if we consider York to be a non-heartland club.

They are a reincarnation of a club which began playing RL in 1898 and were regularly in the top tier up to 1986. You can be in York and only 15 miles from Castleford at the closest point, or closer to the M62 than east Hull. There are numerous flourishing community clubs in the city with long RL histories.

It seems that they are often grouped with expansion clubs because they are having a bit of a resurgence, but surely York is in the RL heartlands?

I always make this point, so thanks for saving me the bother. York IS the bloody heartlands!